dbindoff said:
JB I tried Chrome to view and it does work better for those embedded videos etc. tks.
Hey dbindoff
No probs. If you are looking to improve on that again, sign into the google chrome browser with your gmail account, that way all your links/bookmarks, tabs, plugin, tabs etc are shared on whatever device (incl. mobiles) you log into. You also get online storage, picassa, google sketch, documents, spreadsheets and other services bundled in the "cloud" for free.
dbindoff said:
Hence, I suggest that if one wants to employ a 'Godellian' extension type argumentation, it won't relate to currently accepted science and its methods.
As I inferred, I don't rule out the possibility that some towering genius will find applicability for modern maths in the physical world and literally turn everything inside out and after before.
"I'm wondering if I just gave my self away and the art in which I argue. Bummer! ;)"
Yep, the game might be up.
Hmmm.... I am not quite sure how I should take what you said. I'm thinking that you are saying that the current science will not agree with my line of argumentation because it doesn't regard non-axiomatic assumptions? If so, then that is not a problem for me, but it is for science!
The reason I say this is that all axioms, or "premise or starting point of reasoning", must all submit themselves to what science likes to call "probability". This instantly leads into regressive or circular argumentation to which there is effectively no end. For me I don't consider this a problem, or a "trilemma" like they call it, but rather in itself, I find comfort in that these ever changing "conceptions" are actually one of the few constants in life.
Life is change. You can either be in control of that "change" or be subjugated by change. Sometimes we have a choice and when we don't choose wisely we miss that opportunity and must therefore deal with the consequences of that faulty choice. There's nothing wrong with "learning" provided that we remain willing to learn. If we are no longer willing to learn we instantly are no longer willing to "live", because as before; life is change, and without adaptation we will demise.
This is not just crucial to understand to survive, it is also crucial to understand to live. Tolerance, acceptance, respect, humility and humbleness are expressions of these principles. I for one know that these traits are precious and rare, hence extremely valuable. Even though I persuade myself that I am striving to my utmost to achieve these, I continually fail miserably at achieving them, and in doing so and realising it, strive even harder to obtain them. It is no longer an option if I should pursue these things, it has become a my sole re-sponse-ability.
As a person the worst thing that I can do is ignorantly claim that "I am right", at best this makes me a fool in the world, because the rest of the world does know better than I, provided they aren't as ignorant as me. And yes this is intentionally a circular argument, because we are all a part of society and it's "culture". There is no unbiased individuality that can see through the smoke screen veil of all the lies we have been taught from birth as fact. As such we will remain victims of our own ignorance until we shun the mindless following of the many over the perpetual cliff of mass delusion.
Only people have the ability to define a problem, that ability is sadly seldom overcome by their ability to find a solution, simply so because their definition of the problem is in error to start with.
Mahatma Gandhi once said:
"As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world - that is the myth of the atomic age - as in being able to remake ourselves."
Regards
JB
Posted Friday 7 Dec 2012 @ 7:35:21 am from IP
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