France and now the UK have proposed to ban diesel and petrol cars from 2040

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France and now the UK have proposed to ban diesel and petrol cars from 2040

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Bushwalker
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Interesting change in the EU, while Australia's government sits on it's hands regarding the use of electric vehicles.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-07/france-moves-to-ban-petrol-and-diesel-cars/8686944

"French Environment Minister Nicolas Hulot says he has set the country's carmakers the goal of not selling petrol or diesel cars by 2040"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-26/uk-to-ban-sales-of-petrol-diesel-fuelled-cars-from-2040-reports/8744076

"Britain's Government is set to ban the sale of petrol and diesel cars from 2040, when all vehicles must be fully electric as part of a plan to clean up air pollution, reports say."

Posted Wednesday 26 Jul 2017 @ 2:16:05 am from IP #
munter
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The thread title really should be corrected. 2020 is a wholly unrealistic target. 2040 is significatly more achievable!

Posted Wednesday 26 Jul 2017 @ 2:55:53 am from IP #
alberto
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2020! they only still have 3 years to go. I don't think they can do it.

Posted Wednesday 26 Jul 2017 @ 4:00:18 am from IP #
Bushwalker
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lol. Yes, it should be 2040, not 2020.

No difference to the Australian government sitting on their hands though.

Posted Wednesday 26 Jul 2017 @ 7:59:31 am from IP #
Diver
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Electrification will happen before 2040...it is a Clayton's edict.

Posted Wednesday 26 Jul 2017 @ 8:17:07 am from IP #
Morbo
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will V6es then have 6 motors?

Posted Wednesday 26 Jul 2017 @ 10:55:36 am from IP #
AndyG
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The UK Government is already back-pedalling on the ban.
Now saying that hybrids are OK.

Hardly a total ban on petrol and diesel powered cars!

Posted Wednesday 26 Jul 2017 @ 11:23:39 pm from IP #
Bushwalker
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Sure, but even moving to 100% of new cars being hybrid will make a significant change.

When do you reckon the Australia's government will make a similar decision?

Posted Thursday 27 Jul 2017 @ 5:40:03 am from IP #
AndyG
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Bushwalker said:
Sure, but even moving to 100% of new cars being hybrid will make a significant change.

Only if they build them with reasonable sized battery packs that will actually allow the cars to drive for reasonable distances on battery power alone.

Posted Thursday 27 Jul 2017 @ 6:23:11 am from IP #
Morbo
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Most of the trips would be just to work or to the shops. So I guess, even if the hybrid was able to run less than 10km each trip, this would be plenty between recharges? Plus, they don't need fuel at the traffic light. Even just getting this part of traffic to electric, would make a big difference.

Posted Thursday 27 Jul 2017 @ 10:25:38 am from IP #
alberto
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What are the alternatives: electric, hybrid, hydrogen cars...?

Posted Friday 28 Jul 2017 @ 4:00:10 am from IP #
AndyG
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Morbo said:
Most of the trips would be just to work or to the shops. So I guess, even if the hybrid was able to run less than 10km each trip, this would be plenty between recharges? Plus, they don't need fuel at the traffic light. Even just getting this part of traffic to electric, would make a big difference.

If they made them with minimum 20km range running on pure electric propulsion, that would make a huge difference in the overall scheme.
Far less than that and the ICE is still being used far too much to make a worthwhile difference IMO.

The other thing is do they aim for traditional hybrids like a Prius (ICE also propels the car) or for a EV with ICE range extender like a Chevy Volt (ICE only charges the batteries and does not actually propel the car).

I suppose a any form of EV is better than no EV?!

Posted Friday 28 Jul 2017 @ 4:44:08 am from IP #
Morbo
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I thought initially, 25 or so years back, the plan was, having something like a 1 cyl engine running at its optimum point just charging the batteries. This would then get the 3L/100km car or less.
Before someone argues, modern cars switch their engines off at the traffic lights: only, when the engine is warm enough. I rented one, did that after 1/2 hr or so. Guess there lots of way shorter commutes.
Maybe eventually there will be induction loops or so in the ground for soccer mums and the like, so every stop, the car is recharged a bit.

Posted Friday 28 Jul 2017 @ 5:11:45 am from IP #
ilmessaggio
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North Korea is developing a hydrogen based engine to use in cars

Posted Tuesday 5 Sep 2017 @ 5:26:56 am from IP #
Morbo
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single stroke?

Posted Wednesday 6 Sep 2017 @ 10:26:47 am from IP #

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