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Benny
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They seem to be for sale ...
http://www.zolardistributors.com/product_specs.htm
... although the dates on this site are all 2008.

$1980 for 1 module which is said to be = 500Wp of flat panel.
Suggested output(adelaide) is 700-750kWh pa. So thats about 1500kWh/kW pa or about 4.1kWh per day. It doesn't seem much better than a 1kW flat panel array where I think a ball park figure is 4kWh/kW per day on average. I suppose the size of the system is smaller at 1kW per 2 sqm, but then its not flat against the roof and is tracking so it is bigger in a sense. Whats a good flat panel single crystal sqm per 1kW these days ?

I suppose the other way to look at it is $4000 per kW. (no rebates available for them). It doesn't say whether this price includes the inverter so I don't see that its any big advantage over flat panels ?
The spec says "20 year limited warranty on cell to lose less than 1% of efficiency per year for 20 years." I wonder if this is 1% pt per year or 1% ? ie from 31% down to 30% or 31% down to 30.7% in first year ? Thats whats amazed me with the concentration they use - and no active cooling, I would have thought the cells would degrade pretty quickly, even if they are exotic materials.
The US agent (helios) still seems to be considering their use after some early hype back in March.
So has anyone here heard of anyone who has bought one ?

Posted Tuesday 30 Nov 2010 @ 3:31:24 am from IP #
alfresco24
Member

Forget it.
The company supplying Zolar went bust ages ago.
IMHO the whole thing was a bit if a con in the first place.

Posted Wednesday 1 Dec 2010 @ 12:15:28 am from IP #
Lance
Key Master

I'm not sure it was a con, I just think the engineers didn't understand the issues involved. Having multiple tracking systems and controllers multiplies the chances of failures. Much the same as the Sliver cells, where they multiplied the most likely failure point, the inter-cell connections. Unfortunately, many engineers have interesting ideas but buggerall practical knowledge or even common sense. Any practical person could look at either of those two designs and know they were not realistically viable...

Posted Wednesday 1 Dec 2010 @ 12:55:16 am from IP #
Benny
Member

Some Aust guy (keef wivanef ??) has been really hounding these guys over the years - calling it a scam and calling the developer a fraud. I think he got stung by the developer on a previous scam. The latest is apparently that they are suing each other for defamation......

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/Stocks_E/threadview?m=tm&bn=6046&tid=65764&mid=65859&tof=-1&rt=2&frt=2&off=1&p=leH_.gTAWsd_vDDcezpexAH.i7OUPbV0qLKYvautvnNExEDavA7VXtA-

.. and there's a class action against the suppliers of the hi efficiency solar cells for relying on a forward order of $10M from the solar cube mob.
Wasn't there a CPV system that was designed to sit on top of dams being touted somewhere ? The concentrators were designed to go underwater if it got too windy !! As Lance says - all sounds a bit too complicated to be reliable, although the >30% efficiency sounds nice.

Posted Thursday 2 Dec 2010 @ 1:27:59 am from IP #
Keef-Wivanef
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Green and Gold Energy in receivership
http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?acn=126_956_714&juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1

Extracted from ASIC's database at AEST 21:26:15 on 09/04/2012
Name GREEN & GOLD ENERGY PTY LTD
ACN 126 956 714 ABN 77 126 956 714
Type Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
Registration Date 08/08/2007
Next Review Date 08/08/2012
Status ** UNDER EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATION and/or CONTROLLER APPOINTED **
Locality of Registered Office Glynde SA 5070
Jurisdiction Australian Securities & Investments Commission

These are the documents that ASIC has most recently received from or in relation to this organisation. Page numbers are shown if processing is complete and the document is available for purchase.
Date Number Pages Description
21/03/2012 7E4348469 2 505G Notification of Appointment of Liquidator By The Court
21/03/2012 028032604 1 519D Notification of Making of Winding Up Order
21/03/2012 028032603 2 560 Court Order to Wind Up a Company And Appoint a Liquidator

Not one single SunCube sold anywhere in the world.
A LOT of licences sold though.

Keef won his case btw

http://www.lavanlegal.com.au/index.php/publications/publicationdetail/proving_the_width_of_publication_of_online_defamation_how_wide_is_the_audie

"Justice Fullerton held that although Mr Leech’s actions in posting online criticism of the defendants may have provoked Green & Gold and Mr Watson into publishing defamatory material about Mr Leech, the posts uploaded by Mr Watson were unjustified.

Her Honour awarded Mr Leech $30,000, which included $5,000 for aggravated damages on the basis that the defendants had published the defamatory matter maliciously."

Posted Monday 9 Apr 2012 @ 11:35:26 am from IP #
Bushwalker
Member

Ha!

Knew we would never see any of those things.

Well done on the court case Keef!

Posted Monday 9 Apr 2012 @ 12:14:27 pm from IP #
Benny
Member

Oh dear - sad to see what look like dodgy ideas from the start finally go bust.
What will be next - windpods ?

Posted Thursday 12 Apr 2012 @ 1:34:06 pm from IP #
Keef-Wivanef
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I watched the WindPods on top of Fremantle town hall over a 3 day period.
Wind was howling, stupid pods were not even turning.
Doesn't really matter, they have got munny from the gummint and are planning an IPO to get more munny from dumb investors.

Did I tell you about the Carnegie Wave Energy CETO?

What a crock of plop!

Green Widget Boondoggles
Whoo Hooo!

Posted Thursday 12 Apr 2012 @ 1:43:18 pm from IP #
Keef-Wivanef
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And then there is this one!
http://www.standard.net.au/news/local/news/general/wave-power-inaction-a-waste-of-energy/1959233.aspx

Most (if not all) wavepower companies are nothing but a scam. They simply claim to have invented a wave widget which is almost ready for "commercialization" then launch a stock market IPO. Directors pay themselves million dollar salaries plus stock options then make excuses year after year for non delivery on their exaggerated claims of "Power 24/7 at lower than fossil fuel prices. Have a look at the history of OPTT (the main contender for the Portland project and the government handout that goes with it). They have NEVER delivered on a project. CEO George W Taylor (who claims to hold THREE Doctorates!!) has been paying himself millions of dollars a year for 25 years on the fantasy that his silly PowerBuoy can provide reliable and economic power. OPTT have NEVER delivered on a project. The only income the company derives is from government funded feasibility studies. In Cornwall and Scotland the wave hubs are ready and waiting, the government has paid for the PowerBuoys but OPTT are not quite ready....the PB40 was only a Prototype...here comes PB150...need more time...PB500 coming real soon... http://web.archive.org/web/*/http ://www.oceanpowertechnologies.com /
Posted by Keef Wivanef, 10/10/2010 3:37:08 PM, on The Warrnambool Standar

Posted Thursday 12 Apr 2012 @ 1:52:09 pm from IP #
Keef-Wivanef
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Carnegie Wave CEO not in it for the money, just wants to save our small blue planet.
(yeah...right)
Dr. Michael Edward Ottaviano, B.Eng, MSc., DBA , MAICD, M.I.EngAus has been Managing Director of Carnegie Corp. Ltd., since March 2007. Dr. Ottaviano has been Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director of Carnegie wave energy Limited since September 1, 2006 and March 2007 respectively. Dr. Ottaviano served as Chief Executive Officer of Carnegie Corp. Ltd., since September 1, 2006. Dr. Ottaviano has been with Carnegie Corporation Ltd since January 9, 2006 initially ...
Read Full Background
Corporate Headquarters*
1st Floor
West Perth, Western Australia 6005

Australia

Phone: 61 8 9486 4466
Fax: 61 8 9486 4266
Board Members Memberships*
2006-Present
Chief Executive Officer, Managing Director and Director
Carnegie Wave Energy Limited
2011-Present
Non-Executive Director
WAG Limited
Education*
There is no Education data available.
Other Affiliations*
WAG Limited
Annual Compensation*
Salary A$555,077
Bonus A$66,000
Total Annual Compensation A$621,077
Stock Options*
All Other Compensation A$59,973
Exercisable Options 30,000,000
Total Number of Options 30,000,000
Total Compensation*
Total Annual Cash Compensation A$681,050
Total Short Term Compensation A$621,077
Other Long Term Compensation A$59,973
Total Calculated Compensation A$2,760,050

Don't you think that is just a tad greedy dude?

Posted Thursday 12 Apr 2012 @ 2:01:32 pm from IP #
IAEA
Member

Keef-Wivanef on Whirlpool - whrl.pl/RcGTYp

User #417622 - Keef-Wivanef (Whirlpool) is in the Penalty Box for the last 364 days. The Keef-Wivanef on this fora has been a member from: 9 April 2012.

Could be two different members with the same user name? Interesting!!! I wonder?

Edit: http://whrl.pl/RcGTYp

IAEA

Posted Saturday 14 Apr 2012 @ 2:08:51 pm from IP #
Keef-Wivanef
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Well.....what can I say?
It's me alright.
I am hoping that the moderators of this forum have more intelligence than those on the Whirlpool.
I am also hoping that they are willing to consider the possibility that not all Green Widget companies are sincerely interested in producing a Widget that will deliver greener energy.
Just wait until they can get their snouts into Julia's Carbon trough!
Have a look at this mound of sanctimonious piffle!
http://energy.nstl.gov.cn/MirrorResources/1584/index.html

Hi Jim,

I know where you are coming from. My SunCube will totally change forever the
way we humans generate electricity. In the beginning no one believed me as
to what I had achieved. I had to show, show and show again until finally the
penny dropped. Now we are into empirical trials as the technology is too new
for there to be any international standards to apply.

So Jim, no you don't need to be some big and well funded research lab (I
funded the SunCube development out of my pocket) but if you intent to make a
change in this world and join the fight to stop global warming then you just
got to let others have a look at what you have. If Victoria is ready to have
me or anybody else have a look at her vehicle, I'm quite happy to sign a NDA
which says I can't use or tell anybody about the details of what I have seen
but I can tell the results.

We are facing the worst challenge the human race has ever faced. If we don't
stop Global Warming our way of life will forever change and 10,000's of
species will go the way of the Dodo. This is not the time to do and hide but
to do and show.

My view anyway,
Greg

http://www.joecelldevices.com/forum/show...

Posted Saturday 14 Apr 2012 @ 3:08:23 pm from IP #
Lance
Key Master

It's nothing to do with intelligence, the whirlpool moderators are just making sure that you don't get them sued. Your posts must conform to the ATA forum rules, if you haven't read them, they are at http://www.ata.org.au/forums/rules.html

Sure, there are dodgy ideas out there, but don't believe for a second that most of the ideas that fail do so because they were a scam from the beginning. I'm sure the guys behind the suncube thought it was a good idea, they just didn't understand the technical difficulties involved.

The windpods are based on the savonius rotor design. It is an old design that is simple and works well for the intended purpose. I've built several myself and they work well if built properly. If you have seen a windpod installation not working in high winds, maybe it was shut down for maintenance or another reason, don't make an assumption of them being useless just on your lack of understanding of the situation of that particular installation.

Having said that, you need to tone down your posts thanks, the ATA forums are all about positive discussion on sustainable technologies, not a place for people to slag off on companies they don't like. If you really hate these guys so much, start your own blog and take the legal risks yourself...

Posted Saturday 14 Apr 2012 @ 10:32:54 pm from IP #
Bushwalker
Member

IAEA said:
Could be two different members with the same user name? Interesting!!! I wonder?

Keef got banned from Whirlpool because he was making accusations about a company that could not be proven and could bring legal issues to whirlpool. He was also quite excitable and made a lot of long posts which brought him to the attention of the mods there.

As it turns out, it would appear that Keef was right. Mr Watson from Green and Gold Energy made repeated claims on Whirlpool that the Suncubes would hit the Aussie market last July, but then disappeared without trace as the date approached. He had a (lousy) website, and claimed he was taking orders. We can only assume he snagged some.

So rather than question Keef's presence on the basis of unfounded association, we should be congratulating him for seeing through the sham and potentially alerting many to it. It's hard enough to pay for environmentally friendly power out of our own pockets without getting that hard earned money ripped off.

Keef, congratulations. Don't go overboard and you should be fine here.

BW

Posted Saturday 14 Apr 2012 @ 10:44:36 pm from IP #
Keef-Wivanef
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The SunCube issue has been sorted.
GGE has gone into receivership without one single SunCube ever being sold.
Licensees have lost all their money.
I won my case for defamation but I am $50K out of pocket and unlikely to recover any of that.
There is a bigger issue involved than just the SunCube which is that renewable energy is like apple pie and motherhood - you just can't speak against it!
I am enthusiastic about alternative energy.
I dislike scammers.
I will try and start a new thread to discuss the issue of "Green Widget Insincerity"
( I'll try not to use the F word with 5 letters)

Posted Sunday 15 Apr 2012 @ 7:52:35 am from IP #
franks
Member

Simon Wright..from Whirlpool..has had legal action for members comments about a rubbish product..it seems the company tryed to sue WP for the posts made..in general your not allowed to make a comment to rubbish a product..your post will be removed on WP.

Posted Sunday 15 Apr 2012 @ 8:27:08 am from IP #
Keef-Wivanef
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Did he actually have legal action taken or was it merely a threat?
Greg Watson threatened to sue EVERYBODY but it was just to silence his critics.
Why don't we find some barrack room lawyers to discuss this on the Green Widget thread?

Posted Sunday 15 Apr 2012 @ 8:35:49 am from IP #
Keef-Wivanef
Blocked

As I thought, just a bluff!
http://apcmag.com/whirlpools_off_the_hook_but_the_big_issue_remains_unsolved__are_you_next.htm

Posted Sunday 15 Apr 2012 @ 8:38:36 am from IP #
Lance
Key Master

You're missing the point, if you want to place online in a public forum posts that can draw legal fire, then you should be willing to cop that fire, not pass it on to the forum owners. ATA has recently had legal threats about some posts which we had to waste time and effort (and stress) on to come to a solution. This is something ATA doesn't really have the resources to waste on, so we ask posters keep it positive.We require forum members to conform to the rules, if a particular member continually flouts the rules then action will be taken...

Posted Sunday 15 Apr 2012 @ 12:57:49 pm from IP #
Keef-Wivanef
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I am entirely willing, in fact eager, to take personal responsibility for my posts.
If the forum owners are unwilling to take any chances and refuse to accept posts that question the claims of Green Widget companies, then it means those companies can enjoy the benefit of the doubt, innocent until proven guilty etc.
That did not work out too well for the victims of SunCube.
There is a finite amount of money to be spent on new renewable technologies.
I believe that money should be spent wisely and not squandered on dodgy ideas.
The WindPod, like the SunCube has been a long time coming.
Perhaps Graeme Attey would like to answer my concerns and explain why he is seeking to take his operation global before he has proven it here in Australia.

If I was to question the way in which General Motors or British Petroleum operated that would be politically correct.
If I dare to question the modus operandi of a Green Widget company I am liable to be branded a lunatic!

Green Widget companies immune to scrutiny?

Posted Sunday 15 Apr 2012 @ 3:38:03 pm from IP #
Lance
Key Master

Not at all, I agree that new ideas must be looked at critically, but you are going way beyond that, in your posts so far you are branding many people as crooks and conmen without any proof. Your opinion is not evidence.

As much as the conmen that are out there (and there are undoubtedly some, always has been, always will be), it is up to investors to do their homework. But there have been many ideas that have taken years to happen and hav eventually hit the market. The Ecoswitch is a good example, there were long delays (years) in getting this device on th market but eventually it happened and the end result is excellent.

But getting back to the forum rules, the rules are there for a reason, and that's to keep the forums a place where members can discuss ideas, and where less knowlegable members can get help living more sustainably. The forums are not here are a personal noticeboard where anyone can slag off anyone else they like. Critical discussion is welcome, of course, but all forum users must conform to the forum rules or they will be excluded from the forums.

Posted Sunday 15 Apr 2012 @ 10:21:17 pm from IP #
Russell Moore
Member

Oops

Posted Sunday 15 Apr 2012 @ 11:15:05 pm from IP #
Russell Moore
Member

Russell Moore said:
What KW is doing is warning people about over the top claims made by people and companies with no track records of ever delivering a usable product to the community.

SunCubes and Windpods have always been full of over the top claims about outputs of their so called wonder products. If it was Suntech or Sunpower etc, backing the SunCubes, or Vestas etc, backing Windpods maybe we could believe their claims.

If vertical axis wind generators are so good, why are all the big wind farms using horizontal axis generators?

I fear we are all too scared by threats of legal action. Surely if the products being pushed by these people are as good as they say, they wouldn't need to threaten us, they could just show us in real life situations, with unbiased scrutiny how well their products perform.

Posted Sunday 15 Apr 2012 @ 11:17:36 pm from IP #
Lance
Key Master

There's a big difference between warning people about potential problems and direct slanderous comments aimed towards individuals, all forum members need to understand that. I'll say it again, we have a set of forum rules that all forum users must adhere to, if anyone wants to make personal attacks against individuals, then start your own forum or blog and do it there...

Posted Sunday 15 Apr 2012 @ 11:34:37 pm from IP #
Keef-Wivanef
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Lance, I appreciate your concerns about the liability of the forum.
You have asked that I keep it positive.
I am all in favour of renewable energy, I am off grid and use solar power.
On the community where I live all members are using solar power.
I am happy to see that the price of flat panels has come down.
A similar improvement in battery performance and reduction in cost would be very welcome.
That's the positive.

During the dot-com bubble I cautioned my friends who were investing that many of the companies had no actual source of revenue and were built on hype.
The reply was always.... you are so negative Keef.

When I uncovered sufficient evidence that the SunCube was vapourware and that the CEO was "insincere" I went to ASIC, the Attorney General, Fair trading and even the police fraud squad to try and prevent GGE from selling any more franchises for his vapourware product.
They all passed the buck and said they could not act without 100% proof.
If they did so then the company could claim that they were just about to succeed but now Keef had gone and spoiled everything and it was all his fault!

Renew magazine published an article that was sceptical about the SunCubes some years back.
If the ATA forum won't allow posts critical of Green Widgets and the mainstream media certainly won't (believe me I've tried) then BILLIONS of taxpayer and investors dollars will continue to be spent on Ferraris for executives rather than genuine research.

Posted Monday 16 Apr 2012 @ 6:16:04 am from IP #
sun2steam
Member

Keef,
I think it is not about the fact of being skeptical but about the use of heavy words and offensive language and unsubstantiated accusations.

If you like to achieve something it will be better to use reasonable language as you have done in your last post. And if you have any claims, it would be good to back it up either by web links or by scientific/technical argumentation.

Posted Monday 16 Apr 2012 @ 7:59:09 am from IP #
alfresco24
Member

Keef, it's obvious you have issues with certain individuals and their business offerings, but I think you go too far when labeling them all as having little or no scruples and the worst of motives.
I had dealt with Greg Watson on and off for about 25 years and whilst I wouldnt ever put my money on one of his (many) 'inventions', it isnt because the technology gaps, it's because of two reasons - his business skills (blind faith and little more) and sometimes personal and aggressive attitude in responding to his critics. That's just Greg.
I personally advised Greg on how to mount, sink and terminate the multi-spectral cells in a production environment, and although he didnt succeed in commercialising the business I believe that he was genuine in trying to innovate. I dont think he got away with anything personally, but if you lost out then perhaps you have something to complain about only after you've looked into how you came to make your own decisions to invest. If not, then stop picking on individual cases without truly understanding the background.

Posted Tuesday 17 Apr 2012 @ 12:04:45 am from IP #
Keef-Wivanef
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Fresco, I have issues with people that tell untruths.
Here is just a small part of the price list for SunCubes that was used to attract orders back in 2007.

150 W / 300 kWh* 3x3 SunCube™ Solar Appliance:
Model GGE150-25
AU$550 inc GST for Australian customers
AU$500 ex GST for International customers. Local import duties, taxes, tariffs and other charges may apply
Availability
Internationally and Australia
Packing, Shipping and Installation extra
Warranty
Shipping size approx 800 x 800 x 200 mm, weight approx 7 kg
Shipping size approx 32 x 32 x 8 inches, weight approx 15 lbs
Flat pack available for bulk shipment.
Requires some simple hand tool based reassembly.
Thickness is reduced to approx 50 mm or 2 inches
~25 VDC @ ~6 amps
Click here to place a no obligation intent to order and to get more detailed information
Learn how to make money from your SunCube investment

200 W / 400 kWh* 3x4 SunCube™ Solar Appliance:
Model GGE200-33
AU$735 inc GST for Australian customers
AU$670 ex GST for International customers. Local import duties, taxes, tariffs and other charges may apply
Availability
Internationally and Australia
Packing, Shipping and Installation extra
Warranty
Shipping size approx 800 x 1,050 x 200 mm, weight approx 9 kg
Shipping size approx 32 x 41 x 8 inches, weight approx 20 lbs
Flat pack available for bulk shipment.
Requires some simple hand tool based reassembly.
Thickness is reduced to approx 50 mm or 2 inches
~33 VDC @ ~6 amps
Click here to place a no obligation intent to order and to get more detailed information
Learn how to make money from your SunCube investment

265 W / 530 kWh* 4x4 SunCube™ Solar Appliance:
Model GGE265-44
AU$975 inc GST for Australian customers
AU$885 ex GST for International customers. Local import duties, taxes, tariffs and other charges may apply
Availability
Internationally and Australia
Packing, Shipping and Installation extra
Warranty
Shipping size approx 1,050 x 1,050 x 200 mm, weight approx 13 kg
Shipping size approx 41 x 41 x 8 inches, weight approx 29 lbs
Flat pack available for bulk shipment.
Requires some simple hand tool based reassembly.
Thickness is reduced to approx 50 mm or 2 inches
~44 VDC @ ~6 amps
Click here to place a no obligation intent to order and to get more detailed information
Learn how to make money from your SunCube investment

330 W / 660 kWh* 4x5 SunCube™ Solar Appliance:
Model GGE330-56 or GGE330-28 or GGE330-14
AU$1,200 inc GST for Australian customers
AU$1,090 ex GST for International customers. Local import duties, taxes, tariffs and other charges may apply
Availability
Internationally and Australia
Packing, Shipping and Installation extra
Warranty
Shipping size approx 1,050 x 1,300 x 200 mm, weight approx 15 kg
Shipping size approx 41 x 51 x 8 inches, weight approx 33 lbs
Flat pack available for bulk shipment.
Requires some simple hand tool based reassembly.
Thickness is reduced to approx 50 mm or 2 inches
3 DC output versions available
~56 VDC @ ~6 Amps (Model GGE330-56) Grid Connect unit
~28 VDC @ ~12 amps (Model GGE330-28) RAPS unit
~14 VDC @ ~24 Amps (Model GGE330-14) RAPS unit
Click here to place a no obligation intent to order and to get more detailed information
Learn how to make money from your SunCube investment.

* Based on 10 years of averaged Adelaide direct beam solar available. Your annual kWh output may vary up or down depending on your location, installation site and adjacent trees, bushes, roof structure, buildings, ect which may obstruct a clear horizon to horizon solar pathway.

AND ASSUMING 40% SYSTEM EFFICIENCY AND ZERO CLOUDS THROUGH THE YEAR!

There are 8 different models listed.
That was sufficient to draw in 4000 "intentions to purchase"
and to convince purchasers of licences that it was a goer.

I did not invest any money in SunCubes.
I did however take him to court for defamation and won my case.

If you wish to give Mr Watson a character reference then that is your prerogative.
I doubt that any of the SunCube licensees would agree with your assessment.

Posted Tuesday 17 Apr 2012 @ 6:30:34 am from IP #
Keef-Wivanef
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From the SunBall forum http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sunball/

Our first shipment from Xiamen has landed in Oz and is being cleared. The Xiamen factory is 100% Aussie owned. You can do this in Xiamen as it is a Special Interest Zone that allows 100% non Chinese ownership. I'm amazed you think this all happens overnight? BTW what planet do you live on?

You don't like my track record? Ok buy your CPV from someone else. BTW I really don't care what you think of me.

All the best,

Green and Gold Energy Pty., Ltd

Greg Watson, CEO

7 Provident Avenue, Glynde, 5070

South Australia, Australia, +61 8 8365 5844

http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au

Posted by: "Green & Gold Energy" greg.watson@greenandgoldenergy.com.au HYPERLINK "http://profiles.yahoo.com/greenandgoldenergy"greenandgoldenergy

Thu Aug 9, 2007 4:06 pm (PST)

Just to confirm, GGE will be making SunCubes available to domestic,
commercial and industrial customers both on and off grid. We will be
doing this through regional distributors and then through retail solar
and retail electrical / hardware chains. Final pricing and timing is
still to be confirmed but we can assure you the resultant $ / kWh cost
will be well below that which flat panels with rebates can deliver.

We are not waiting for IEC 62108 certification (12 to 18 months away)
and will be supplying only DC SunCubes.

We are setting up a manufacturing facility in Xiamen China which will
be capable of supplying in excess of 500 MWs per year of SunCubes to
directly supply our distributors.

Details of those who have registered expressions of interest in buying
SunCubes will be supplied to the regional distributors unless you
tell us not to do this.

We will continue to move forward into building solar farms, in which
SunCubes will also be available for sale to supply the rental and
apartment market.

All the best,
Greg Watson, CEO
Green and Gold Energy
7 Provident Avenue
Glynde, South Australia
+61 8 8365 5844
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au

Re: Some interesting data

Posted by: "Marcello Vella" cello.vella@yahoo.it HYPERLINK "http://profiles.yahoo.com/cello.vella"cello.vella

Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:54 pm (PST)

Hi Greg,

the case of the Xiamen factory vanishing into thin air and non chalantly dismissed as a 'failed experiment', is great cause for concern.
What happened to the significant 'Australian Investment? Has it just gone with the wind or was it ever on? Who are the dumb investors? Such things are more than enough to close a new company. Where is your business sense?
Honestly Greg, just cut the crap and let the suncube do the talking if you really have a device that does what you claim it does.
Stop talking in Mega Billions and get your priorities right. Publish audited data and get your certification going. So far your evidence is conspicous by its absence.....even on the eve of the latest launch date.

Not to have working suncubes on your own roof is the limit.

regards

Cello

Re: China

Posted by: "Greg Watson" greg.watson@greenandgoldenergy.com.au HYPERLINK "http://profiles.yahoo.com/greenandgoldenergy"greenandgoldenergy

Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:40 pm (PST)

The Xiamen facility is 100% Australian owned and operated. We design the manufacturing process, define and control the quality standards. We just use Chinese CNC shops to do the machining of the various components. I say again the Xiamen JV is not Chinese. It is 100% Australian owned and operated. Members of the Australian management team are moving their families to Xiamen to run the facility.

Greg
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I don't think that I am breaking the forum rules by posting that.
It has been sent out to thousands of SunBall forum members and is widely copied across the web.

Posted Tuesday 17 Apr 2012 @ 6:43:09 am from IP #
alfresco24
Member

Keef, dont put so much 'background' text in your posts. It's a waste of space and data landfill. Hundred's of words from 3-5 years ago.
You can put as many words in my mouth as you like, it won't make any difference. I'm not giving anybody a character reference, and anyway you're quite a character on your own. Get over it.

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